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11/20/2012 5:09:00 AM
Merry Christmas to all

To the Editor:

I am writing to let my voice be heard. For many years I and many others as Christians have sat back and allowed for our government and nonbelievers to take away Christmas. It started with the school Christmas programs being changed to Holiday programs. Now it is a Holiday tree, Holiday gifts and Holiday songs. It was changed because a minority was offended by Christmas. 

We as Christians need to speak up and let our voices be heard. Dec. 25 is on the calendar as Christmas Day. It does not state it as Holiday day. I for one am so tired of going into a business to have them say “Happy Holidays” because they are told not to say “Merry Christmas.” 

After all, that is what the day actually is – Christmas. We celebrate the birth of Christ our Savior. What a joyous reason to celebrate. So, our government that was founded with the words, “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God,” wants God out. As our government tries to remove any mention of God from our lives, our country has fallen into more greed, corruption and hatred than ever before. Did we not see enough of that with the election?

In this great country we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion as long as someone doesn’t feel “offended.” Well, I for one am offended that Christmas has been turned into the word “Holiday” and I am truly offended that God has been removed from our government. I will repeat that our country was founded with the words, “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God.”

Christians, isn’t it time you let your voices be heard? Let “Merry Christmas” ring throughout our town and bring God back where he belongs.

Merry Christmas to all.

Bonnie Ahlborn
Arbor Vitae




Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, December 2, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Hansen

Bob, you are way smarter than that. How else did you want me to refer to them other than as the Ten Commandments? Should I have listed each one individually so as not to show any reference to the religious label of Ten Commandments? They were taught to me as the Ten Commandments as well, but if you look at them individually, and not as a group called the Ten Commandments, they provide a basic moral baseline. As a child I was taught these as well. When I look at them now, some of these are things that people should be doing anyway, not just because God told us to.

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Jeff Laadt

My thanks to Chris Hansen. I was going to respond to Bob Lepper along similar lines, but I couldn't say it any better.

Just one thing, though. I wish to emphasize the point made by Chris that one does not need religion to lead a moral and purposeful life. The misunderstanding among the religious on this issue is disappointing but, unfortuneatly widespread. We're doing just fine, thanks.

Jeff Laadt


Posted: Friday, November 30, 2012
Article comment by: Bob Lepper

Chris, let me see if I got this right. You say you "Follow the Ten Commandments because they provide you with a moral baseline but not because God told you to". Just who do you think provided you with the Ten Commandments? Thanks for making my point.
Bob Lepper
Springstead, WI


Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012
Article comment by: Chris Hansen

Bob, please don't try to tell me that your sense of morality, because it is based on God, is greater than my sense of morality. That seems to be what you are doing when you say a non-believer does not have to worry about the Ten Commandments because they do not apply. I follow the Ten Commandments because they provide a moral baseline for a person to live their life. I don't do it because God told me to. A moral person does not need the church to tell them that they shouldn't kill, shouldn't steal, and should honor thy father and thy mother. Those are basic tenants of a moral society. As such, some of them are even written into law. You say you are not a religious person, yet you come here and say non-believers don't have to worry about living a moral life. That sounds like a preacher to me!

Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012
Article comment by: Bob Lepper

Sorry Jeff, I really did not mean you personally but "nonbelievers in general".
I guess it is a lot easier to live without God in one's life. One does not need to worry about obeying the Ten Commandments because they do not apply. However I do feel that nonbelievers can be good people but perhaps it is a bit more difficult without the guidance from above. I do not mean to throw stones as I am not religious but merely a believer who relies on my God for guidance and forgiveness.


Posted: Friday, November 23, 2012
Article comment by: Jeff Laadt

Bob
Why all the fuss? Perhaps you did not notice the two letters in this week's edition generally complaining of some secular attack on Christmas. That's where the "fuss" resides.

D. Ecklund, R. Collins and I are simply reacting to this annual nonsense and add some factual reality.

And you really have a lot of chutzpa claiming to know what I believe or no not believe. (Ecklund and Collins can obviously speak for themsleves.) It's almost as if I accused you of being a secret atheist but were afraid of coming out of the closet.

Jeff Laadt





Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2012
Article comment by: Bob Lepper

Jeff, how about a little tolerance. No, this Country was not established as a religious state but it was founded on Judeo-Christian values which can be found everywhere, government buildings, monuments, currency, etc. Why all the fuss from you non-believers? I think deep down you all really do believe but do not want to for some reason. Merry Christmas to you Bonnie and to you Jeff " Happy Holidays".
Bob Lepper
Springstead, WI


Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: R Collins

Well, Bonnie, I sure hope that you've made your feelings known to the management of all the stores in the area . . . after all, these stores are participating in the commercialization of Christmas and just using the day as an excuse to make some "filthy lucre."

And I hope you don't get a Christmas tree . . . that was an invention of pagans in northern Europe, and has nothing to do with the birth of Christ.

And Santa Claus and reindeer . . . were they in Bethlehem? Rudolph too?

I won't go into your misinterpreation of history regarding "In God We Trust" and "one nation under God." Jeff Laadt and D. Ecklund have answered your comments on that score very well and accurately.

However, I will say this . . . The government has nothing to do with me, or a store clerk, or anyone else wishing you happy holidays. That's private individuals doing that.

Quit feeling you're being persecuted when you're not.


Posted: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Article comment by: Jeff Laadt

I would suggest that Ms. Ahlborn, as a Christian believer, should worry more about the transformation of Christmas as nothing more than a commercial event.

Every year we go through this whole charade called the "War on Christmas." What are you Christians worried about? You make up the vast majority in this country, but you just can't seem to tolerate the notion that others do not share your beliefs or holidays.

And Ahlborn's repeated assertion that this nation was founded upon the phrases "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" is simply inaccurate. The former came about during the Civil War, the latter (as an addition to the Pledge of Allegiance) not until 1954. The truth is that this country was NOT established as a religious state, Christian or otherwise.

Neither the government nor we non-believers are interested in undermining whatever it is you choose to believe and celebrate. As I mentioned earlier, the reality of "Christmas" is that it has evolved into a vast secular commercial event and not much more. And whether Christian or not, this is is a sad development, and points out, once again, the true American religion -- money.

Merry Christmas, Bonnie

Jeff Laadt



Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Article comment by: D. Ecklund

To clarify:

The _day_ is Christmas. The run-up to it, is referred to as "The Holidays", or "The Holiday Season", if you will.

"In God We Trust" was adopted in 1956.
"One Nation Under God" was injected into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954.

The country was "founded" in 1776 or 1789 depending on how you look at it.






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