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3/1/2013 7:10:00 AM
Anyone up for a 'million gun march?'

To the Editor:

Joe Biden seems to think that we should forget about military style assault rifles and depend upon shotguns to protect and defend our homes. 

I think that’s not a sporting proposition he is making. When the military abandons assault rifles, drones, napalm, bunker-busting bombs, and nuclear weapons which are the tools of military adventurism and the government stops threatening us with disarming the civilian population, taking away our Bill of Rights, our right to trial, our right to be secure in our persons and property and quits snooping into our phone conversations, emails, and using all manner of electronic surveillance against us and then spiriting us to places of “rendition” and torture – then and only then we might think some progress is being made.

Until then, keep your powder dry and secure the best weapons you can against the time that “Big Brother” makes his assault upon your front door while you are asleep to take away your shotgun, which will be the only remaining “legal” weapon you were allowed to have. Our president reserves the right to kill anyone without trial whether American citizen or foreign citizen. He loves to play with his drones. The department of Justice [Eric Holder] issued a “white paper” entitled “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen Who Is a Senior Operational Leader of al Qaeda or an Associated Force.” Washington lawyers make the case for assassinating American citizens abroad. “The U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.” 

– Michael Isikoff for NBC News. 

The 16-page memo introduces a vague definition of what constitutes “self-defense” or “imminent attack,” leaving it up to Washington officials to decide when there is a possible threat that calls for murdering even an American citizen.

“The condition that an operational attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place,” the memo states. The existence of this memo was reported in a front page story in the American Free Press, Feb. 18, 2013.

The people who run our government seems to have forgotten that the Declaration of Independence was to create a limited government of, by and for the people, not of, by and for the politician and his political cronies. 

And that life, liberty, and property were the reasons we the people put this limited constitutional government together. The first duty of that government is to protect the lives of its citizens, guarantee their liberties and secure their property. In return we will pay “reasonable” taxes for “reasonable” government that secures the same. 

The real reason for the Second Amendment is to protect citizens from oppressive, runaway, outrageous, government. When government decides to take away your life, all other rights are automatically denied. 

Anyone for a “million gun march” on Washington to make the point?

Loyd G. Black
Eagle River

Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Meinert

Tim: Why do you call call ATV riders Knuckledraggers? That's disrespectful and cruel. To use your words, I don't have a simplistic life so I have a variety of friends which only enriches my life and gives me a varied perspectives on a multitude of subjects. You have your friends and I have mine. You enjoy yours and I mine! It's a great life!

Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013
Article comment by: Tim Behselich


Now who's being condescending? Or is it just OK when you do it to those who live "in the land of unicorns and rainbows" and the knuckledraggers who ride ATVs?

And how special that you have so many friends. One for every occasion and related to every single subject/issue brought up in this forum. I love how you interject every conversation with a "I have this friend....." Inspiring.

Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013
Article comment by: Chris Hansen


You seemed to have misunderstood my explanation. You seemed to be saying that the Colonials won the war based simply on their determination. If they were so determined, then why weren't they better organized? All I am saying is that the pure logistics of fighting a war on the other side of the ocean, in that century, was very difficult for the British, and played a part in their eventual defeat. Determination is important, but there is no comparison to the Colonials fighting the British in 1776, and armed U.S. Citizens fighting the U.S. Military and Law Enforcement in 2013. I would think they would need a little more than determination. They would need the military itself on their side to have any chance.

Posted: Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Meinert

So Tim, you think I live in a simplistic world. I'm sure that tearing around the woods on an ATV while inhaling a cloud of exhaust fumes releases the inner depths of a complex life. Hmmmmm.

Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Meinert

Come on Tim, don't be condescending and stick with the talk. There is certainly nothing simplistic about my world or my degrees. I've been successful on multiple levels and you know nothing about me. My military friends here in AZ don't really agree with your opinion but that can and will be debated forever. I don't understand why you consider "student" a dirty word. Students are the only hope for our country. Now retired, I'm able to take advantage of classes only tangential to my other careers. Nobody should stop being a student.

Posted: Thursday, March 14, 2013
Article comment by: Tim Behselich

Chris -

Don't bother. In Gary's simplistic world, wars are won on determination and grit. Never mind the logistics you mentioned, or the changing war tactics used by the colonials, the terrain, conditions, and the myriad of other things that a student (apparently a dirty word now) of history or military tactics would know.

Posted: Monday, March 11, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Meinert

Wow Chris, somebody should have told Washington that he had the upper hand when only a 1/3 of his army hadn't gone home to plant corn etc. The Colonials were out numbered and out gunned. It was a miracle we won !!

Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013
Article comment by: Chris Hansen

Gary, come on. The pure logistics of the Revolutionary War is what made it possible for the United States to win that war. In that day and age the British were trying to fight a war across the ocean. Their leaders waited weeks for updates and requests for more troops. Major events could happen in that time that would change the outcome of the war forever. You can hardly compare armed U.S. citizens fighting against law enforcement and the U.S. Military to the Revolutionary War.

Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013
Article comment by: Gary Meinert

Mr. Baird: You might review the Revolutionary War to see who was better armed and organized!! History is rife with putting down tyrannical regimes armed with only determination. It's not the "Liberal" nature of the Federal Government which presently concerns us.... it's the next predictable step which should concern us all unless we live in the land of rainbows and unicorns.

Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013
Article comment by: Richard Collins

Well stated response, Mr. Baird.

As a gun owner myself, I am embarrassed by these paranoid types who think they need the same type of weapons I had in Vietnam. You rightly point out that the President took an oath to defend the country against "all enemies, foreign and domestic." When I was commissioned after finishing Infantry Officer Candidate School, I too took a similar oath. Do these paranoid folks really think that the current people in the military will allow them to try to use their weapons against the government . . . the government they swore to protect?

Posted: Wednesday, March 6, 2013
Article comment by: James Baird

The argument that you need a military type weapon to protect your self from the government is sited over and over again by those who hate the liberal nature of the Federal government. The argument is based on a childish daydream that a mob of people armed with automatic and semi-automatic weapons can bring down that elected regime.

The Constitution allows the government to call out the militia to put down such an insurrection and the President to defend the nation against all threats, both foreign and domestic.

So how well will all those rifles stand against the tanks that will be used. How many State Troopers and National Guardsmen are you ready to kill in your thrust to rule. How well did the Branch Davidians do.

To avoid this scenario, this government was set up with a ballot box. That is where you efforts should be aimed. And if you loose at the ballot box, suck it up. Be a man. Live with it.

Posted: Friday, March 1, 2013
Article comment by: Michael Boyle


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